All I Wanted To Know Was "What exactly makes ABC's Jake Tapper Define Fox a "news" Network?" (UPDATED)

Last night, in response to ABC's Jake Tapper defending FOX news against the White House declaring it not a real news network, I asked him a very simple question:

We went back and forth for a while on twitter, but I NEVER got a straight answer.

All I want to know, Jake, is if you think Fox is a legitimate news organization? I understand you have friends who are fine reporters and who work there.
As far as I’m concerned, Fox was created TO BE an arm of the GOP from DAY ONE.

There was no such thing as liberal bias. Everyone who is now a fixture at Fox (Hume, Wallace, Kristol, etc.) were all at those other “liberal” networks. That in itself should say something about the bogus claim.

“Liberal bias” was Murdock’s/Ailes’ invention to justify what they were setting up.

THEY have destroyed journalism in this country.
THEY are the opposite of “Fair & Balanced.”
THEY ARE 100% opinion, 24/7.

It’s not just their opinion shows, it’s that their opinion shows actually dictates the next day’s NEWS cycle and within 24 hrs the entire network has joined in the “fun.”

See this: Fox News: A 24/7 Political Operation:
Fox News has responded to White House criticisms of its network by claiming that while its "editorial" programs are filled with "vibrant opinion," its news hours are straight and objective. However, Fox News' purportedly straight news programs often echo its "editorial" programs and feature smears, falsehoods, doctored and deceptive editing, and GOP talking points. Examples include:
  • Hemmer advances smear that Jennings knew of "statutory rape" and "never reported it." During the October 1 edition of America's Newsroom, co-host Bill Hemmer joined his network's smears against Department of Education official Kevin Jennings by claiming that Jennings knew of a "statutory rape" case involving a student but "never reported it." In fact, as Media Matters has confirmed, the student in question was of legal age of consent at the time he was counseled by Jennings.
  • Baier smears Jennings as failing to report "sexual abuse." On October 1, host Bret Baier joined Fox News' witch hunt against Jennings, claiming that "Education Secretary Arne Duncan is standing behind his so-called safe schools czar after revelations that Kevin Jennings did not report a case of sexual abuse he encountered as a schoolteacher."
  • America's Newsroom promotes tea party organizing info on-air and online. America's Newsroom encouraged viewers to get involved with April 15 "tea party" protests across the country, which Fox News had described as primarily a response to President Obama's fiscal policies. The program frequently hosted tea party organizers and posted on-screen organizing information such as protest dates and locations. America's Newsroom also repeatedly directed viewers to its website, which featured a list of tea party protests.
  • America's Newsroom promotes czar hysteria with ominous music. On September 7, Kelly teased a segment on whether the so-called "mainstream media" was ignoring "questionable backgrounds of some of the other 30-some-odd czars" in the Obama administration while ominous music played in the background.
  • "Death book" distortions abound on Fox News Sunday. On the August 23 edition of Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace hosted former Bush administration aide Jim Towey to discuss his Wall Street Journal op-ed, "The Death Book for Veterans," and in doing so promoted numerous distortions about an end-of-life educational booklet used by the Veterans Health Administration (VHA). In addition to forwarding the smear that the booklet is a "death book," Wallace promoted Towey's distortion that the booklet encourages veterans to "pull the plug" -- it doesn't; Wallace and Towey both suggested that the Bush administration suspended use of the booklet -- it didn't; and Wallace claimed that a VHA document requires doctors to direct veterans to the booklet -- it doesn't.
read all the examples.....
Watch this:
It should piss real journalists off.

Did you know that Chris Wallace was the “concerned parent” Beck interviewed exposing the Dunn video? ( See here, here & here).

THAT is not what REAL news networks do.

The “Obama is a Muslim” lie? It started in one of Murdock’s lesser know foreign papers only to be picked up by Fox so it look like they were just reporting someone else’s news (see here & here).

THAT is not what REAL news networks do.

I DO understand what you mean by “should the WH be deciding if an entire network is legitimate new.” But what you should be asking is why do you and your colleagues not say enough on your own? Why do you continue to treat FOX as a “sister new network?”
Would A Real News Organization Help GOP PACs Raise Money?
THAT is not what REAL news networks do.

I'll let you know if I get an answer.


Well, the nutters are pleased with Jake's defense of FOX:
Beck applauds "watchdog of freedom" Tapper for pretending Fox is legitimate news org like ABC :
Dobbs cites Tapper's "extraordinary exchange" defending Fox as a real news org:
O'Reilly joins Beck and Dobbs in praising Tapper's defense of Fox:

Fox & Friends latest to praise Tapper as a "great reporter" for his defense of Fox:

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (via Greg Sargent):
Dana Perino: White House Shouldn’t Attack Conservative Critics Because It Will “Burn Bridges”

An amusing nugget from former White House flack Dana Perino, who complains that the White House shouldn’t aggressively target Obama’s Republican and conservative critics because it will foul up relations with them:

“They won — why don’t they act like it?” said Dana Perino, former White House press secretary to Bush. “The more they fight, the more defensive they look. It’s only been 10 months, and they’re burning bridges in a lot of different places.”

Not sure Perino is the ideal messenger for the line that the Obama administration is being too rough on its political opponents. After all, her administration tried to paint much of the opposition party — not to mention major journalistic institutions like The New York Times — as traitors who were actively encouraging terrorist attacks on our country.

UPDATE II B (really V):

More on Dana Perino's blond moment of hypocrisy from above. This is a video which Jed at DKTV dug up as the right went bonkers over the White House labeling of Fox as a non-news network:
Bush White House Press Secretary Dana Perino responds to a question posed by Mike Emanuel of Fox News about the White House’s public battle with NBC News:

Oh, Dana. You really should stop inhaling the peroxide.


Eric Boehlert answers Jake's question to Gibbs about how Fox is different from, let's say, ABC:

Oh my, Tapper has no idea how Fox News is different than ABC News, and he works there. Tapper can't tell what Fox News does differently that his own network. And Tapper was clearly irked that the White House had offered up an opinion that one of the Village's "sister organizations" wasn't professional. "Why is that appropriate for the White House to say?" Tapper demanded to know. (Hint: As a Beltway rule, Democratic White Houses are forbidden from calling out the press by name.)


So for the benefit of Tapper I'll reproduce the cheat sheet, and yes, many of the examples below involve the supposedly serious "news" side at Fox.

For instance, here's an example of how the Fox News family isn't quite like ABC. Here's another another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another, and another.


One of Jake's arguments from yesterday was that he thinks it's important to confront this White House now, because as he warned me, "if you think it cool for the WH to decide what is and what is not a "news organization," that I should "remember that GOP WHs will do that 2?"

You see, Jake's questioning THIS White House is to protect us from the next GOP one? What you doesn't get, Jake, is that you and your colleagues have ALL already said it was OK to do what this White House is doing, during 8 years of Bush/Rove with your collective silence.

Link me to YOUR stories condemning Bush’s preferential treatment of Fox over his treatment of EVERY OTHER media outlet (between 2001 & 2008)?

The fact that is has been happening for a decade isn’t a secret. The fact that people are rushing out to defend the right when it happens to them is mid-blowing.

Bush gave ZERO interviews to the NY Times during ALL EIGHT YEARS he was in office and he shunned/minimized NBC/MSNBC from nearly day one. Jake, you’re protecting the future is a day late and a dollar short.

So, I’m preemptively asking Jake this -- for we all know your future denouncement of Obama inviting Olbermann/Maddow is coming to a theater near you -- link me to what is undoubtedly YOUR condemnation of Bush inviting ONLY Fox, conservatives, & religious zealots to the White House for 8 years (from 2001-2008), Jake?

I still haven't gotten a real answer from Jake.... yet.
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