9.09.2009

Rep. Joe Wilson (R) of S. Carolina Was The "You Lie!" Heckler (UPDATED x18)

UPDATE XVIII:

Stay tuned for Keith Olbermann' Special Comment which is set to air on tonight's Countdown (according to this DKos post of his).

I'll post the video as soon as it's available.


Here's Keith Olbermann 's Special Comment on Rep. Joe Wilson:

UPDATE XVII: The Confederacy lives!

From Crooks & Liars' David Neiwert:
Obama heckler Joe Wilson a member of neo-Confederate SCV, fought to keep Dixie flag flying in South Carolina

Looking into the background of Rep. Joe Wilson, R-South Carolina, after his heckling of President Obama last night, I came across this:

Joe also has been a member of the Columbia World Affairs Council, Fellowship of Christian Athletes, Sinclair Lodge 154, Jamil Temple, Woodmen of the World, Sons of Confederate Veterans, ....

This is an organization that, as the SPLC has detailed assiduously, has been taken over in the past decade by radical neo-Confederates who favor secession and defend slavery as a benign institution. Leading the takeover is a radical racist named Kirk Lyons, who's been an important legal figure on the far right for some years.* [More below]

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UPDATE XVI:

Jake Tapper's has a fact-checking report tonight:

But back to the fact check desk: do President Obama’s proposed reforms apply to those in the U.S. illegally? No.

To recap on what CRS says: Does the House bill provided subsidies to illegal immigrants? No.

Would the House bill require illegal immigrants to have health insurance? Some of them, yes.

Would the House bill allow illegal immigrants to purchase health insurance in a health insurance exchange? It doesn’t restrict it, though White House press secretary Robert Gibbs today said he didn’t think the version of the law the president would sign would allow such a thing.

*Could the House bill expand emergency Medicaid laws as they already exist, perhaps – perhaps -- expanding coverage for illegal immigrants in keeping with current law?

According to CRS: Yes.

see/read his full report....
(my emphasis): Could. Not will. Could. And, while this isn't in the spirit of what the section pertaining to this in HR 3200 (see further down below for text) is meant to do, from what I heard, Dems are looking into clarifying this.

But... HCR does not apply to illegal immigrant -- no matter how loud the anti-brown people crowd screams it does.

Also, see Politifact.com's fact check of Joe Wilson's accusation against the President, Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't:

Obama's said "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.

UPDATE XV: Let the censuring begin.

Dem Leadership Considers Wilson Censure

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) has refused to apologize to the House of Representatives for his conduct Wednesday night, prompting Democratic leadership to consider censuring the heckling lawmaker.

Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) approached Wilson on the floor of the House and asked him to give his regrets from the well. Wilson balked.

"If he had just said he was sorry, nobody would be considering any of this," a senior Democratic aide told Politico.

"Wilson brought dishonor to the House," a leadership aide told Greg Sargent. "He needs to apologize to the House on the floor for his behavior and if he does not, action will be taken when we return to session next week."

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Oh, and in case you're wondering, it's actually against Congressional rules to call the President "a liar." No joke (h/t BlueStateRedhead):

Decorum in the House and in Committees

Under clause 1(a)(1) of Rule XI .... Members should comport themselves with the rules of decorum and debate in the House and in Committees specifically with regard to references to the President of the United States as stated in Section 370 of the House Rules and Manual.

As stated in Cannon’s Precedents, on January 27, 1909, the House adopted a report in response to improper references in debate to the President. That report read in part as follows:

"It is... the duty of the House to require its Members in speech or debate to preserve that proper restraint which will permit the House to conduct its business in an orderly manner and without unnecessarily and unduly exciting animosity among its Members or antagonism from those other branches of the Government with which the House is correlated."

snip

Under section 370 of the House Rules and Manual it has been held that a Member could:

* refer to the government as "something hated, something oppressive."
* refer to the President as "using legislative or judicial pork."
* refer to a Presidential message as a "disgrace to the country."
* refer to unnamed officials as "our half-baked nitwits handling foreign affairs."

Likewise, it has been held that a member could not:

* call the President a "liar."
* call the President a "hypocrite."

snip

Section 370 of Jefferson’s Manual states that the rule in Parliament prohibiting Members from "speak{ing} irreverently or seditiously against the King" has been interpreted to prohibit personal references against the President. In addition, Speakers of the House have consistently reiterated, and the House has voted, to support the proposition that it is not in order in debate to engage in personalities toward the President.

UPDATE XIV: Some Late afternoon humor from Andy Borowitz:

Sanford: Finally, I'm No Longer the Biggest Douche in S. Carolina

A jubilant Gov. Mark Sanford met with reporters in South Carolina today, telling them he was "ecstatic to no longer be the biggest douche in this state."

The embattled governor said he "practically danced a jig" when he saw Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC)'s outburst on television last night, adding, "That Joey boy did me a solid."

Rep. Wilson could not be reached for comment, as aides said he was busy barking at passing cars.

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UPDATE XIII:

Wilson Breached Military Protocol according to Major General Paul D. Eaton:

Breach of Discipline

Retired Colonel (Representative) Joe Wilson's conduct last night is a breach of military protocol and represents a further departure from the historic good order and discipline I expected, in the past, to see from the GOP, pre-conservative talk show entertainers. Recent GOP performers have proven embarrassing to the New Republican Party.

As a retired Soldier I expect better from our Soldiers, to include South Carolina National Guardsmen. But, those rallying in the blogosphere to Wilson's defense claim that he has reason 'to be stressed out' because he has children in the military. Interesting defense.

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UPDATE XII:

Want a good laugh? Check out thereisnospoon's piece, If Only He Hadn't Apologized...

Joe Wilson could have been the GOP nominee for President...if only he hadn't apologized. Such is the degradation and nihilism of the Republican Party that its base was ready to crown a new champion, perhaps sparking a bid for the Presidency.

If only he hadn't apologized.

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UPDATE XI:

Let's not forget the most important point of Congressman Wilson’s outburst: HE LIED.

As HR 3200 MAKES PERFECTLY CLEAR: "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS."
Page 143 for those keeping score at home, Lines 3 to 7:
SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Via DKos:

Politifact:

Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

...When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants....

The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.

As SusanG stated, Make him pay.

UPDATE X:

Perfect timing! Nutter coming to his financial aid to show support for his outburst will have to do a lot more than just keep up with Rob Miller's $300,000 (as of this moment). They're going to first have to dig him out of debt. LOL!

New Disclosures Show Wilson Deep in Debt

Talk about bad timing.
Jonathan Allen reports newly-amended financial disclosure forms show that Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) -- who heckled President Obama last night -- is heavily leveraged and his debts may even exceed his assets. The new filings reveal for the first time hundreds of thousands of dollars in previously unreported loans from federal credit unions and banks.

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UPDATE IX:

From Raw Story: Rep. Joe Wilson is a health industry darling

Whether because of his outspokenness or in spite of it, Wilson is a major recipient of contributions from the health care industry.

In fact, over his entire congressional career, health professionals represent Wilson’s top industry contributors, donating a total of $244,196 to his campaign, according to the Center for Responsive Politics OpenSecrets.org database. He received another $86,150 from pharmaceutical companies, $73,050 from insurance companies and $68,000 from hospitals and nursing homes.

Among Wilson’s top contributors are the American Hospital Association, a lobby group that represents the interests of hospitals and health networks, and the American Medical Association, which represents physicians.

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UPDATE VIII:

$300,000 raised on ActBlue (so far) for Democrat Rob Miller, who is challenging Rep. Joe Wilson in 2010!

...it's pretty remarkable to see what has happened in the last 14 hours: over $200,000 $250,000 $300,000 raised on ActBlue for Rob Miller, Wilson's 2010 opponent. Welcome to the first viral netroots backlash of the 2010 cycle. Let's make this one count.

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UPDATE VII: You have to realize that Wilson has a habit of losing control when confronted with facts. Here he is from 2002 when being confronted about the Iraq-WMD lies:

DKTV Flashback: Wilson explodes, accuses Dem colleague of “hatred of America”

Earlier today, Greg Sargent noted an extraordinary outburst by Joe "You Lie" Wilson in 2002, berating his a Democratic colleague, Rep. Bob Filner of California, as an anti-American traitor.


Wilson exploded after Filner stated — correctly — that Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons program had received aid from the United States during the Iran-Iraq war. (For background corroborating Filner’s statement, see this CBS News report and read up on the "American Type Culture Collection" in these articles in the New York Times published in March 2003, November 1996, and February 1994.)

UPDATE VI: IN a move to surely infuriate Wilson's backup singers, President Obama accepted his apology (via TPM).

Speaking at the end of his Cabinet meeting today, President Obama said he accepts Rep. Joe Wilson's (R-SC) apology for yelling out "You lie!" during the president's speech yesterday.

"We all make mistakes," Obama said. "He apologized quickly and without equivocation."

"We have to get to the point where we can have a conversation about big, important issues that matter to the American people without vitriol, without name calling, without the assumption of the worst in other people's motives," he went on. "We are all Americans. We all want to do the best for our country. We've got different ideas but, for the most part, we have the same aims."

Also, when Dana Milbank doesn't even try to make excuses for you in an attempt to be considered a serious player in the beltway's pontificating pundicks club - you know you're career is now on shaky ground.

Dana Milbank: House GOP "Insolence" Was "Appalling"

UPDATE V (via Josh Marshall): Wilson doesn't seem to be doing to well today:

Rep. Wilson (R-SC), the new face of Republican opposition to health care reform, just went before the cameras for the first time looking sweaty and sort of shaky like he might be about to cry. I know that sounds a bit like trash talk. But that's actually how he came off, his affect and expressions. He gave a pretty weak rationale for his claims about coverage of illegal aliens and then dashed off. We'll have the video for you shortly.


UPDATE IV (Thurs): Over $100,000 raised (so far) by Wilson's opponent, Rob Miller!
HUFFPO: Rob Miller, Wilson's Opponent, Raises Over $100,000 Off "You Lie"

Rep. Joe Wilson's (R-S.C.) untoward outburst Wednesday night has had a positive effect for at least one person. Rob Miller, a Democrat planning to run against Wilson in 2010, has taken in more than $100,000 through the website ActBlue.com since his opponent heckled the president.

About half the money has come from Daily Kos readers through a group called "Defeating the man who yelled 'liar' at Obama."

Miller ran against Wilson in 2008; National Journal called it the congressman's "first serious challenge." A retired Marine and an Iraq veteran, Miller ran without any help from national Democrats as a social conservative and critic of the Bush administration. During that campaign, he blogged for the Huffington Post about his reasons for running:

Markos has more....

We've spent the entire summer watching the teabaggers drag our public discourse into the mud, spreading fear and lies, calling Obama a Nazi and describing the public option as a communist plot. We've seen them accuse us of wanting to kill their grandmothers, and they hysterically fought to "protect" their children from Obama's "stay in school" speech to students, as if he were a child molester.

And last night, during a Joint Session of Congress, Rep. Joe Wilson adopted the Teabagger tactics and bizarrely thought it a good idea to try and disrupt the President's address.

As you can imagine, Wilson is becoming the latest conservative hero, joining the pantheon of Joe the Plumber, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Bachmann. But rather than watch in frustration, we can do something about it.

Let's send a message to the Republican Party that their efforts to debase the political process will cost them, and let's SERIOUSLY hurt them where it matters. Drop a few bucks into Rob Miller's "defeat Joe Wilson" fund.

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UPDATE III:


He was also Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World' on tonight's late edition of Countdown:
Rep. Joe Wilson, liar

Sept. 9: Worst Person in the World, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., was not only wrong in accusing President Obama of lying about health care for immigrants, and not only lowered the standard for discourse in America by interrupting the President of the United States in the middle of an address to a joint session of Congress, but he's a liar himself, as evidenced by his recent false "death panel" op-ed.


UPDATE II:

First, John McCain called on this putz to "apologize for it immediately.":
John McCain told CNN that Republican congressman Joe Wilson (S.C.) was "totally disrespectful for yelling out "you lie!" to President Obama during his speech to Congress, and called Wilson to "apologize for it immediately."



Even Joe Doucheborough called him out via his twitter account:
Now, Wilson has apologized....sort of (via TPM):

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) has apologized for breaking with protocol and calling the President a liar during his speech before Congess this evening.

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the President's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."

I guess that's 90 percent of an apology, but politically, it may be too late to undo the impression that the GOP is handling the health care fight uncivilly.

But the best part... When Rep. Wlison called the White House to apologize directly to President Obama, he got Rahm Emanuel instead! (also via TPM):
Wilson apparently called the White House to apologize to Obama directly. Instead he ended up speaking to Rahm Emanuel. Oh, to have been listening in on that f@(&ing conversation.
Evidently, it was Rahm who told Rethug leaders he'd better call:
After Obama's speech, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel reportedly "approached two Republican House leaders, Roy Blunt and Paul Ryan and said, 'No president has ever had that happen,' and urged them to have the lawmaker 'apologize immediately.'"
Also, from GOP Lawmakers Treat President Obama’s Joint Address To Congress Like A Town Hall Protest, Karl Rove & Fox No Business Channel's Neil Cavuto thought Rep. Wilson was funny:
On Fox Business News, Karl Rove and host Neil Cavuto thought Wilson shouting at the President was hilarious. "Joe Wilson, good guy," said Rove. "Lovely," agreed Cavuto.
UPDATE I:

Take a look at these glares (h/t uncucumbered):

ORIGINAL POST:

What a piece of shit. Rep. Joe Wilson (R) of S. Carolina was the asshole who shouted "You lie!" after Obama -- correcting the record of lies from the August recess yet again -- said that illegal immigrants would not be covered under his plan.

Oh, and check out how pissed off Nancy looked. I don't think Rep. Wilson is going to have a good week..

TPM's Josh Marshall got the video up pretty quickly:


The member of Congress who yelled that the president was a liar during the speech was Rep. Joe Wilson (R) of South Carolina. Here's his official website.

I can't think of anything like it in recent history.



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